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Introducing: So Many Thoughts!

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Do you follow So Many Thoughts on Instagram? In her stories, former Wall Street Journal reporter Elizabeth Holmes offers sartorial commentary on the royal family. She discusses not just their clothes, but also the messaging, branding and strategy behind their fashion choices. Her analysis is relevant and smart — and often laugh-out-loud hilarious. I’m excited to say that Elizabeth is doing a new column on Cup of Jo! Today, here’s her take on Meghan’s and Diana’s maternity style…


Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex (née Meghan Markle) made a surprise appearance at the British Fashion Awards this week. She stunned the crowd in a sleek one-shoulder Givenchy dress to present the Womenswear Designer of the Year award to Clare Waight Keller. (Royal watchers will remember that the British-born head of the famed Parisian fashion house designed the duchess’s wedding gown and stunning 16-foot veil.) It was the first time the world got a clear view of Meghan’s prominent baby bump, and in a glamorous black tie setting no less! It made me wonder what maternity fashion looked like back when Diana, Princess of Wales, carried her two sons and down the rabbithole I went. We dug up this vintage shot of Di from 1982, attending a formal event with the Queen, when she was roughly the same amount pregnant with William as Meghan is with Baby Sussex. So many thoughts!

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And as we launch her ‘So Many Thoughts’ column, here’s a Q&A with Elizabeth Holmes…

First off, what’s SMT in a nutshell?

So Many Thoughts is my sartorial commentary series on the royal family. I annotate pictures on Instagram Stories of the Duchess of Sussex (aka Meghan Markle) and the Duchess of Cambridge (aka Kate Middleton), as well as the occasional other royal who crosses my radar. SMT offers what I hope is insightful and entertaining analysis of the royal family’s appearances — literally, as in what they are wearing, but also what they are trying to accomplish with their photo opps. I started it last December, on a whim while I was nursing my second son, and it has grown ever since.

And who are you?

Hi, I’m Elizabeth! I’m a longtime journalist who spent more than a decade on staff at the Wall Street Journal, most recently as a senior style reporter and columnist. I am now a freelance writer and work with a host of publications: The New York Times, Business of Fashion, Real Simple, Town & Country, Elle, etc. I was born and raised outside of Chicago, but fell hard for New York early in my adult life. Last year, I moved with my husband to Bay Area. We have two young (wonderful!) boys, Fitzgerald and Oliver.

What’s so compelling to you about the way the royals dress and present themselves?

Anyone who watches The Crown knows the royal family is in a constant fight for relevancy. This next generation of royals marks a new chapter for the family, with a renewed global appeal. Most of the world will never have a chance to see the royals in person. And we don’t often hear from the royals (although Meghan is changing that!). But what everyone can see, every time they step out, is what they are wearing. Their clothes send a message, and their appearances are highly choreographed. Seemingly little things, like the order in which Will, Kate, Harry and Meghan pose for a photograph, is meant to send a message. That attention to detail makes this world especially ripe for dissection!

I’m curious: What’s an example of how something small sent a big message?

There are so many! During the most recent royal tour, Meghan championed local, sustainable brands, making the most of the power she has to give small labels on a moment on the worldwide stage. One example that stands out: her black Outland Denim skinny jeans. Outland is an Australian brand that trains and employs exploited women and, as a result of the publicity and interest, the brand said it would be hiring 15 to 30 new seamstresses. She could have chosen any black jeans, but how great that she chose Outland’s — just think of the lives she helped improve!

What was one of your favorite Kate moments?

Style-wise, Kate’s two recent appearances in a velvet bow have become such a *moment.* Most of what the royal family wears is high-end — and high-priced — meaning most people can never afford to have those pieces. Something as simple as a velvet ribbon is available to anyone! Trend-wise, it was right on the mark, having trickled down from the runways two seasons ago to more affordable retailers now (even Target had a few versions on shelves!). It’s also so easy (and affordable) to run to a craft store, pick up velvet ribbon and make your own. I think that’s why it resonated far and wide this holiday season.

What are things a regular person can take away from SMT?

It’s easy to just see a pretty dress or some fun shoes — but I think it’s so much more interesting to see how that fits into the overall royal strategy. When Kate rewears a piece (which she has been doing a lot lately) it’s a way to look frugal, of course. But it’s also a reminder of all she has accomplished. By wearing a royal blue Jenny Packham dress to visit the Imperial War Museum in London in November, she all but ensured women’s sites would resurface a picture of her in that same piece getting off the plane for the 2016 Canadian tour.

I hope SMT helps people understand the thought and the effort that goes into the royal family and their appearances. More than any celebrity or political figure, the royals use clothing to send a message, promote a cause and build their brand. And who doesn’t need a little break from the news cycle these days? Come analyze a tiara with me!

Thoughts? Thank you so much, Elizabeth!

P.S. Seven everyday clothes I swear by, and the #1 thing I’d tell Meghan Markle about pregnancy.

(Diana photo by Anwar Hussein/WireImage. Meghan photo by Jeff Spicer/BFC/Getty Images. And thank you to Harling for showing us the unadulterated joy of SMT:)

  1. shannon says...

    Wondering if the plan is still for Elizabeth to have a column? I keep excitedly checking on Fridays!

  2. This is so beyond interesting. They really have no voice and choosing what to wear really is the only way to have a voice. How fascinating! And yes I love Meghan for speaking up and exercising what little voice she has.

  3. Anna says...

    Being European and fan of the Republic as a system of government I find it quite strange how Americans fawn over monarchs… All of their clothes are paid by the British taxpayers.

  4. Kelly P says...

    I’m new to SMT, but already a fan! I find her analysis interesting as well as an escape from the drudgery of other parts of my day. I’ve read some comments about it being gossipy and implying the content is somehow not worthy of CoJ and I (respectfully) could not disagree more. Her thoughts are insightful and fun. I come to CoJ to learn, but also to be entertained. Besides, even if it is just frivolous, can’t we enjoy that too? Must we always be pursuing ‘serious’ endeavors? No thanks! :-)

  5. Beth says...

    Honestly, this really bums me out. I have a few friends who love SMT so I’ve tried to get into it, but it just feels like yet another forum to pick women apart for their most minute choices. I do think it’s interesting to examine the strategy behind the royal family and the meaning in things like clothing—but so many of the comments are like “this bun is too messy” or “she needs a new team because her clothes fit poorly.” If that’s how she wants her clothes to fit, who cares? And we’re only discussing the women’s outfits, for the most part. If anything, this all serves to highlight to me how very, very little has changed since Diana’s days, and how truly depressing that is. I think Meghan’s fantastic, but it’s pretty bleak that a dark nail color is considered progress considering how fundamentally sexist this entire model is.

  6. Alexandra says...

    I LOVE SMT! So happy to see Elizabeth and her Thoughts(TM) on COJ!!

  7. Claire says...

    As a Brit I find this a bit weird. I’m not anti the royals, but you have to admit that if you were starting a new society from scratch, the idea that some people would be designated as elite simply because of their family line would be ridiculous. That said, I think many of them do a good job and I admire Kate & Megan as women…I’m just not into this analysis of their appearance. The press gives women a tough enough time as it is, so this just seems to reinforce that, even if the tone and agenda is different.
    Can’t we celebrate them as modern, intelligent women rather than other-worldly princesses? Just feels like a strange fit for CoJ

  8. Megan says...

    So excited by this! She inspired me to try a velvet bow in my hair.

  9. Katie B says...

    I’d like to echo what many of the other UK readers have said. I feel a bit odd about this type of content being here. The royal family will only remain relevant as long as we continue to make them relevant.

    I understand these posts may have a smart analysis of how fashion and style are used as tools of communication, but by hosting this content you are also giving the royal family a platform to continue to be relevant. A family that is paid for by Britain simply because they are born into a certain family is not something I’d like to help flourish.

    I love you Cup of Jo and have so much respect for everything you do, but this feels off next to the thoughtful pieces that normally live here.

  10. Kate s says...

    Yeah for SMT!!!! Elizabeth Holmes nails it every time. Great addition to the blog.

  11. Liz says...

    i am overjoyed by SMT joining cup of jo! i’ve been reading cup of jo for years, and have been addicted to SMT since this summer. Some of my favorite news of the year!

  12. Princess Hajjar says...

    ELATED by this!

  13. Beth says...

    As a British person (and long time Cup of Jo reader) I find this kind of journalism a bit too close to the British tabloid press that endlessly obsesses over the way (female) royals dress and act, and a bit off-brand for CoJ. I would also like to point out that my taxes paid for Meghan’s Givenchy gown (as my grand/parent’s taxes paid for Diana’s) so it’s harder for me to see this as harmless, fun celebrity content as it is for American readers!

  14. Paula says...

    This makes me dizzy to read. One account that is 100% on point with regards to the royal family is: katemidleton – check it out. She has SO MUCH info about clothes, situations, why is someone standing ahead of someone else, why is the Queen and Camilla often in the same color – and there’s also so much background and history-all in well written captions with punctuations and proper grammar! lol I guess I’m just too old for all the abbreviations!

  15. Heather says...

    My two faves together! This makes me so happy! P.s. please (🙏🏼) don’t change the format – it is the very thing that makes smt so much fun and I think readers will get used to the concept with a little practice!

  16. Jessica says...

    This is such a wonderful collaboration! Love CoJ and super love EHolmes and SMT! Can’t wait to hopefully see more SMT content, and so glad that the side hustle is being monetized because EHolmes does such a fabulous job!

  17. mitch says...

    Please, no more silly fawning over the Duchess of Sussex!

  18. Cynthia says...

    When I was pregnant in 80’s, everything was made to disguise the bump. Being pregnant in summer (both times), loose clothes were comfortable.

  19. Charlotte says...

    Such a huge fan of SMT, what a wonderful partnership with COJ xx

  20. Olivia says...

    SMT is the best part of Instagram. Elizabeth, Duchess of SMT, feeds my unhealthy obsession with the royals. I love the in-depth analysis she provides – it’s funny, insightful, and entertaining. Cannot express my excitement to have COJ and SMT collaborate.

  21. Sasha L says...

    I will say I enjoy this too, but guiltily admit that Gary Janetti is half the reason I look at Instagram. Oh my gosh is he brutally hilarious.

  22. Kristin says...

    I lived in London for three years and started reading What Kate Wore while I was there. Now I also read What Meghan Wore too. I much prefer Meghan’s style to Kate’s, which I find to be a little too British – a little to young (ruffles, bows in hair, headbands) but also at the same time a bit mumsy. Meghan on the other hand – wow. Always polished, alway regal. Definitely check out those sites for more fashion!

    Fun fact – my husband saw the Queen while we lived there and he said she was incredibly cute!

  23. I absolutely adore this- all of it! Fashion has always interested me for the same reasons, what are people soundlessly convening about themselves, but for some reason, with the royals, I just assumed it was mostly trend setting or keeping up appearances. Fascinating to see it as more than just that. So looking forward to reading this new column!

  24. K says...

    This is so interesting to read as a Londoner! I rarely comment but am writing to respectfully disagree slightly here:

    “And we don’t often hear from the royals (although Meghan is changing that!)”

    Do you mean in the states? We do hear from them in the UK and they too work on a number of charity initiatives. Take a look at Heads Together to see some of the work that Harry and Will do to end the stigma around mental health: https://www.headstogether.org.uk/

    “Most of what the royal family wears is high-end — and high-priced — meaning most people can never afford to have those pieces.”

    Kate has famously always worn high-street brands alongside designer clothes.

    • Kristin says...

      Agree with you!

  25. Kelsey says...

    How fun!!!

  26. Michelle A says...

    LOVE Elizabeth Holmes!!! So happy she’s here on CoJ now!!!

  27. Christina Copp says...

    I first heard about SMT from Cup of Jo, and LOVE it! Now both together! Yay! I’m wondering, will it be more in depth on Cup of Jo, or sort of a summary of the SMT Instagram? Either way, I’m for it!

  28. Carli says...

    I love SMT too since you linked to it a few months ago, so fascinating! I never miss a stories!

  29. Mette says...

    Yay! My two fave things on the internet!!!

  30. Martha says...

    Love her Instagram! I’m thrilled to see her content on your blog!

  31. Amazing!!!!! Can’t wait!!

  32. Kelly says...

    Love Elizabeth and so excited she’ll be on Cup of Jo!

  33. Katie says...

    SMT is my favourite thing in the world right now! 🎀🎀🎀

  34. Cath says...

    There is absolutely zero issue with the dark nail polish. It’s a myth that gets repeated but isn’t actually true.

  35. Love her so much. Her stories are my favorite to read every time. She’s at the front of my stories so whenever I see i have one to read of hers i get SO excited. Also didn’t know she’s in the bay! She’s practically my neighbor (I’m up in Sacramento!).

    Allie

  36. Claire says...

    Discovered SMT through ManRepeller recently and I quickly fell in love with Elizabeth. I love following the royal family and appreciate how knowledgable and respectful Elizabeth is. So intentional, thoughtful, and hilarious. Thanks for bringing her to COJ!

  37. So fun, I love how you are always innovating new content Jo!

  38. Ruth says...

    I’m a secret royal watcher so yes to the fun fashion-watch aspect here. BUT – what I don’t get is why we still need to affirm how ‘sexy’ women can be when we are pregnant/big/small/unconventional. Does the endgame have to be our desirability? In whose eyes? And really, who cares? Come on style writers, up the game.

  39. Hannah G says...

    ohmygoodness yes!! I love this. Been happily following with SMT since the linked ManRepeller article.

  40. Sarah says...

    I love SMT! And love that she’ll be featured here. Yay!! 💙

  41. Amanda says...

    This is fantastic! I love following Elizabeth on Instagram. SMT is always the first thing I look for!

  42. Emily says...

    I’m all about SMT! Her Instagrams are so charming and fun! She has great analysis and a positive outlook!

  43. Keegan says...

    Love this SO MUCH

  44. Lisa says...

    YAYYYY!! SMT is pretty much the only reason I check instagram lately. And teaming up with COJ?! Thank you!!

  45. Cailin says...

    YES this makes me so happy! I discovered SMT a few months ago and Elizabeth has quickly become one of my favorite people on Instagram. Hi, thank you for inspiring my velvet bow shopping spree.

    Jo+Elizabeth FOREVER

  46. Jenny says...

    YESSSS I kind of saw this coming and am so happy. I started following her when you linked to a man repeller article about SMT a few weeks ago and it’s my favorite thing on Instagram right now!

  47. Christina says...

    Team Both!!! <3 <3 <3

  48. Rachael says...

    My two favorites have finally found each other! So much YES!

  49. Hannah says...

    I’m so looking forward to reading SMT on the blog!! I have loved following Elizabeth for the past few months – so glad to see her featured!!

    • Claire says...

      yes, agreed on the feedback about the format- too much, too crowded. I think this is a fun idea though.

  50. Laura says...

    I love this concept but the format (all that text) hurts my eyes and I don’t know where to look first! Also, re: Meghan Markle supporting specific brands, I’m reminded of Michelle Obama saying that she chose Jason Wu for her inaugural ball gown specifically because she wanted to elevate a new young designer, rather than go with someone that was established that everyone expected (like Oscar de la Renta). I love that they recognize the power they have and use it to support great people/causes.

    • Rebecca S says...

      It really hurts my eyes too. I read a few notations and then gave up, got overwhelmed. Congratulations though, I’m sure it will be a great addition to CoJ, and I’m sure I’m in the minority.

    • Rebecca # 2 says...

      Totally agree! I’m not a huge royal watcher but I’d definitely read a column like this if the format didn’t seem so unfriendly to my eyes/brain. As it is I couldn’t get through it, though.

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      we’re going to work on this! thank you so much for the feedback xoxoxo

    • Chelsea says...

      Suggestion to maybe keep the SMT signature style and add another way to read it as well? I love Elizabeth’s IG stories and I’m excited for this collab!

    • Susan says...

      I agree with Chelsea. I like the format in theory, it’s just hard to read. If there was the image but also the text in the body of the post underneath that would satisfy both.

    • Emily says...

      I like the formatting!!! I find it easy to read.

    • Megan says...

      +1. I love SMT’s thoughtful, insightful content, but the format makes it a struggle to absorb it all (… but maybe I’m just old?). Very excited for this collaboration, particularly if it means another way to access SMT!

    • Amy says...

      MM is wearing Givenchy. She wears a LOT of expensive, extremely well established designer brands, so please don’t liken this to supporting a new designer or great people/causes.

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      she does a mix!

  51. Kelley says...

    “Come analyze a tiara with me!” Love this! :)

    • JennP says...

      Me too!

  52. Savannah says...

    YES YES YES YES YES. I am here for this. My number one instagram priority is SMT and pairing with COJ is a Christmas miracle!!!!

  53. Anna says...

    Elizabeth has been posting her musings on somehow “monetizing” So Many Thoughts (which, I can imagine, has become a behemoth time-taker and pressure-giver as this adventure unfolds for her). So it’s neat that you folks at CoJ are (presumably) helping her get a little remuneration for her fun “side hustle.”

    P.S. I’ve been sporting a satin bow out-and-about for my evening events this December.

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      Yes, so happy to support her amazing work!

  54. Julia says...

    YASSSS! Insert Oprah giving out presents and waving her arms GIF HERE. GAH it wont let me insert! ;) Thanks to SMT I’m now a bow freak and have been randomly plucking them off trees in dive bars and off any gift wrap I can get my hands on. I have converted all of my friends as well. SEATTLE SMT BOW FREAKS UP IN THE HOUSE!

    xxoxoxox

    • Cailin says...

      haha YES!! I too can’t get enough bows thanks to SMT and Elizabeth.

  55. Grace Haynes says...

    YAY! I love Elizabeth & SMT. So delighted to see this!

  56. Marleen says...

    I love SMT and have followers Elizabeth for months now and Cup of Jo for years and years, so really excited about this collab! Love from the Netherlands!

    • Marleen says...

      P.S. Wearing my velvet ribbon with pride!!

    • Marleen says...

      P.P.S. *followed :)

  57. Megan says...

    Agree with all of the “OMG CUP OF JO AND SMT TOGETHER?!” comments. This is just the best. Welcome to this corner of the internet, Elizabeth!

  58. kaye says...

    YESSSS I AM SO EXCITED! MY TWO FAVES ONLINE! <3

  59. Kelly says...

    I AM SO EXCITED!! I love Elizabeth Holmes.

  60. Danielle says...

    So excited about the new column! I recently started following SMT on Instagram and like many others, can’t get enough of it. Yay!

  61. Christina says...

    WORLDS COLLIDING AND I LOVE IT!!!!!

    • Gillian says...

      This!!!

  62. Andee says...

    This is so exciting! I love both you and am soo excited to see the cross-over!

  63. Jeanne says...

    Wait…Diana was TWENTY in the picture??? I knew she married young. I remember watching the wedding on tv. But it still floors me every time, especially now that I’m older and can look back. Damn, she took on sooo much at such a young age with no assistance, even from her husband.

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      Yes! They got engaged when she was 19 and married when she had just turned 20. So young! He was 32. Xoxo

  64. madeline says...

    I AM SO EXCITED

  65. Elizabeth says...

    So much fun! What a lovely break from the final papers I’m putting off writing.

  66. Becky says...

    COJ + SMT = ultimate TEAM BOTH! Delighted you are here @eholmes!!! Xoxo!

    • Hannah Degn says...

      Couldn’t agree more! Love this example of women supporting women!

    • Christina says...

      Team Both!!! <3 <3 <3

  67. Jenna says...

    My two favorite social spaces merging together! My friends and I live for SMT story updates and study the slideshows. I always look forward to Elizabeth’s informative posts. She’s made me realize how strategic and aware of social commentary the royal family is, and she does it in a fun way!

  68. Hold on to your velvet bows, everybody! COJ + SMT is gonna be LIT!!! ;)

  69. Annie says...

    Cup of Jo + SMT = Christmas come early!!!

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      Hahahaa I feel the same!! :)

    • Whitney Grisham says...

      My thoughts exactly!

  70. Allison says...

    Love this so much!

  71. Allyson says...

    Cup Of Jo is collaborating with all my favorite things this year! SMT, Samin Nosrat, Forever 35 Podcast (more I am definitely forgetting). I LOVE IT!

    • Rachel says...

      Agreed!!!! Such a great partnership. Can’t wait to read more :)

    • Brittany Johnson says...

      Nora McInerny!

    • Megger says...

      Yes! So much this. What an amazing group ❤️

  72. Amy says...

    I have never been that much of a royals follower, however I am looking forward to this column and reading more of Elizabeth’s “Thoughts!”

  73. SMT is the first thing that shows up on my Stories feed when there is a new update. I’m OBSESSED. Also a huge thank you to Harling for introducing many of us to Elizabeth’s flawless analysis and informed perspective!

  74. gfy says...

    Love this reminder and example of just how far our dollars can go to improving the world with everyday spending!!!

  75. Farhana says...

    What’s the benefit of learning about what the “Royals” are wearing? What kind of growth this kind of information promotes? Besides encouraging an obsession for gossip and daydreaming?
    Is there an Instagram feed that talks about the cost of wasting time and energy of following the wealthy and famous? Here’s how the “Royals” make money
    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/06/royal-family-costs
    Let’s follow what matters.

    • Betsie says...

      Cheer up Farhana! Following Royal fashion doesn’t stop anyone from also spending time and energy on loftier pursuits.

    • LC says...

      I actually agree with you and am probably in the minority, but am feeling a little strange about this merger. Yes, I think it’s great that Megan Markle helps to promote smaller brands, and I love what she stands for and how she uses her public image. But analyzing every element of their outfits and how they portray their selves just feels a little superfluous and honestly, for this blog, off. Like I feel it belongs more on an entertainment gossip blog. And there’s nothing wrong with blogs like that, but I come to CoJ expecting a certain level of content and I feel that this falls short of that. I know you guys are free to post whatever you want but am just feeling a little disappointed. I guess I just didn’t find her commentary to be that astute or insightful to justify this level of scrutinization.

    • Charlotte says...

      I feel like I have to side with Farhana on this one! I find royal history fascinating but it always leaves me feeling like something is not right. With income inequality widening every year, adoration of such overt displays of wealth and privilege become grating. Yes, I understand Hollywood is no different– and my goodness, look at our president!– but all of it (American elitism included) seems kind of shameful after a while. Maybe it seems negative, but I agree that it seems more useful to celebrate substance and character over upper class circumstance.

    • Jojo says...

      I’ll join you in the grumpy corner. Ethical questions aside, I have nothing against Ms. Holmes or other fans of the royals, but there are so many other places on the internet to discuss celebrity fashion. This feels like clickbait to me and seems out of place on this website.

    • Joanna Goddard says...

      thank you so much for your notes! it’s not meant as clickbait at all — i just LOVE elizabeth’s approach to analyzing royal fashion through a branding/strategy lens, and i wanted to share it with Cup of Jo readers. it makes me think more deeply about how what we wears sends such a message, no matter who we are. and i also love how she weaves in current events, history, cultural norms, royal protocol, messaging, etc. as she does these. no worries if not, of course, but i hope you’ll come to love them as much as i do!

    • t says...

      Love, love, love your response Betsie!

    • Samantha says...

      I think a lot of this has to do with the screen shots from Instagram stories. if the format was more like a regular blog post (photo, then words below it) it would feel less “gossipy” and more like an analysis.
      The insight about 80’s maternity fashion vs. today is totally culturally relevant! It’s just hard to digest with so many words crowding the photo.

    • Alyssa says...

      Also not a fan of this new feature. Focus on the ‘messaging’ of fashion already comes through in the Week of Outfits series–and on a more relatable level.

    • AB says...

      Just wanted to send some support for this comment (and the ones below) from the UK. I love CoJ but have always found the uncritical reception of the royals a little incongruent with the otherwise strong, thoughtful, thought-provoking liberal conversation. If you live in the UK and see or experience first-hand the devastating effects of persistent cuts to social services, children’s services, and the NHS, the use of tax to fund the royals seems grotesque. And this includes the designer dresses chosen to ‘make a statement’. I know it must all seem like a fairytale, but the best statement they could all make is one that acknowledges that their unearned wealth and privilege is both directly and symbolically entrenching inequality.

    • Anna says...

      I came on to say something similar, AB, although you’ve worded it much more eloquently that I would have done. As a British reader, it does make me feel quite uncomfortable, especially with the focus on what is for many unattainable fashion. I think I’ll be giving these posts a miss (but I love your other content).

  76. Jess says...

    HUGE SMT fan over here. This is a dream.

  77. Lesley says...

    I love SMT!!! My two favorite things on the internet are coming together.

  78. Jenna says...

    I very very much enjoy my daily SMT break!

  79. Meredith says...

    Oh my god this feels like when the wonder twins get together. HI ELIZABETH